|
Post by DaveyJoe on Jan 28, 2017 19:23:16 GMT
So what does that have to do with Casey Affleck's performance in Manchester by the Sea? When somebody commits a crime, we send them to prison and they serve their time. Do we have room in our hearts for forgiveness or do we shame that person into submission for the rest of their life? Unless you know for sure what Casey Affleck did, I think you're playing a dangerous game by judging him. I don't see much difference in people judging celebrities for unsubstantiated rumors, and the hardcore religious folks shaming women for getting abortions. Who the fuck is any one individual to judge another human being? And when someone is a rapist or molested women they deserve being judged, I cannot believe I even have to fucking say this.This appears to me like it should be a given. What if somebody is falsely accused of being a rapist or molester?
|
|
|
Post by Admin on Jan 28, 2017 19:30:13 GMT
i don't think he should win. i'm not saying he should never work again, but i think right now, he does not deserve any rewards. if he wins, i hope the room is silent. Occasionally stuff like this happens: Here's Ed Harris being awesome:
|
|
|
Post by Admin on Jan 28, 2017 19:31:13 GMT
And when someone is a rapist or molested women they deserve being judged, I cannot believe I even have to fucking say this.This appears to me like it should be a given. What if somebody is falsely accused of being a rapist or molester? Neither Polanski or Parker were falsely accused. But I never give shit to people working with Allen, it's never been proven what he did
|
|
|
Post by DaveyJoe on Jan 28, 2017 19:34:35 GMT
What if somebody is falsely accused of being a rapist or molester? Neither Polanski or Parker were falsely accused. But I never give shit to people working with Allen, it's never been proven what he did We're talking about Casey Affleck here, it sounds like you don't want him to win an Oscar. I've seen a lot more criticism and condemnation of Affleck in this awards season than Gibson.
|
|
|
Post by Admin on Jan 28, 2017 19:36:04 GMT
Neither Polanski or Parker were falsely accused. But I never give shit to people working with Allen, it's never been proven what he did We're talking about Casey Affleck here, it sounds like you don't want him to win an Oscar. I've said what I had to say about this in previous posts.
|
|
|
Post by DaveyJoe on Jan 28, 2017 19:37:58 GMT
We're talking about Casey Affleck here, it sounds like you don't want him to win an Oscar. I've said what I had to say about this in previous posts. I'm just curious what you think the Academy should be doing about Affleck.
|
|
|
Post by TheMadQueen on Jan 28, 2017 19:40:53 GMT
Personal lives? Someone could have been molested here. You just wanna look to the other side, that's your business but people are rightfully side-eyeing this person. So what does that have to do with Casey Affleck's performance in Manchester by the Sea? When somebody commits a crime, we send them to prison and they serve their time. Do we have room in our hearts for forgiveness or do we shame that person into submission for the rest of their life? Unless you know for sure what Casey Affleck did, I think you're playing a dangerous game by judging him. I don't see much difference in people judging celebrities for unsubstantiated rumors, and the hardcore religious folks shaming women for getting abortions. Who the fuck is any one individual to judge another human being? except he didn't go to jail or serve any time. The women got paid to go away. Giving alleged harassment victims hush money doesn't warrant forgiveness IMO. But like I said, I don't think the guys life should be over. I just think, right now, in the middle of this big scandal, he should not be receiving any high honors. Once the heat is off, once something changes, maybe things can go back to how they were. But right now, the man's performance in a movie does not excuse his behavior, and I don't think he should be winning anything.
|
|
|
Post by DaveyJoe on Jan 28, 2017 19:44:20 GMT
So what does that have to do with Casey Affleck's performance in Manchester by the Sea? When somebody commits a crime, we send them to prison and they serve their time. Do we have room in our hearts for forgiveness or do we shame that person into submission for the rest of their life? Unless you know for sure what Casey Affleck did, I think you're playing a dangerous game by judging him. I don't see much difference in people judging celebrities for unsubstantiated rumors, and the hardcore religious folks shaming women for getting abortions. Who the fuck is any one individual to judge another human being? except he didn't go to jail or serve any time. The women got paid to go away. Giving alleged harassment victims hush money doesn't warrant forgiveness IMO. But like I said, I don't think the guys life should be over. I just think, right now, in the middle of this big scandal, he should not be receiving any high honors. Once the heat is off, once something changes, maybe things can go back to how they were. But right now, the man's performance in a movie does not excuse his behavior, and I don't think he should be winning anything. It's clear that you assume the allegations against Affleck are true, I'm curious how you came to that conclusion. If Affleck's performance in a movie does not excuse his behavior, why does his behavior prohibit him from winning awards for his performance?
|
|
|
Post by Admin on Jan 28, 2017 19:45:06 GMT
I've said what I had to say about this in previous posts. I'm just curious what you think the Academy should be doing about Affleck. Haven't seen his performance, so I don't know if he is deserving of all the accolades. He was fantastic in Jesse James, though, so I'm sure he is good. As I said because of the veil of silence span by his entourage there is no verifying anything, but as we all know Academy has zero problem awarding people who have done despicable stuff. I've seen a fiery outrage over Gibson, though so I wonder why people are so fired up about this one, because on one hand we have a guy with sexual harassment allegations and on another we have a loud drunk who was abusive towards his wife. Seeing how those Affleck rumors are just beginning to circulate enough for people to hear about them NOW and we knew Gibson did what he did, what 10 years ago, the fact that Affleck scandal is fresher yet people are louder about Gibson confuses me
|
|
|
Post by Admin on Jan 28, 2017 19:48:19 GMT
except he didn't go to jail or serve any time. The women got paid to go away. Giving alleged harassment victims hush money doesn't warrant forgiveness IMO. But like I said, I don't think the guys life should be over. I just think, right now, in the middle of this big scandal, he should not be receiving any high honors. Once the heat is off, once something changes, maybe things can go back to how they were. But right now, the man's performance in a movie does not excuse his behavior, and I don't think he should be winning anything. It's clear that you assume the allegations against Affleck are true, I'm curious how you came to that conclusion. If Affleck's performance in a movie does not excuse his behavior, why does his behavior prohibit him from winning awards for his performance?Haven't I responded to this? It's industry seal of approval. It's saying 'we don't care what you did, we liked your work, so here's an award that will make it easier for you to keep doing stuff like that and sweep it under the rug'
|
|
|
Post by Admin on Jan 28, 2017 19:54:56 GMT
|
|
|
Post by TheMadQueen on Jan 28, 2017 19:59:14 GMT
except he didn't go to jail or serve any time. The women got paid to go away. Giving alleged harassment victims hush money doesn't warrant forgiveness IMO. But like I said, I don't think the guys life should be over. I just think, right now, in the middle of this big scandal, he should not be receiving any high honors. Once the heat is off, once something changes, maybe things can go back to how they were. But right now, the man's performance in a movie does not excuse his behavior, and I don't think he should be winning anything. It's clear that you assume the allegations against Affleck are true, I'm curious how you came to that conclusion. If Affleck's performance in a movie does not excuse his behavior, why does his behavior prohibit him from winning awards for his performance? As of now, I'm tending to believe the accusations because most sane women don't lie about being harassed, and the story is just so believable. Hollywood actor treats women like shit? That's not exactly breaking news. I'm buying it because the story is not at all unique, and because there are hundreds of others like it. And they can't all be evil women who are only after his money. And he should not be awarded for a performance, no matter how good it is (I haven't seen the movie so I can't say) when he's at the center of this big scandal where he *allegedly* sexually harassed multiple women working for him. It's just not a good look for the Oscars, to basically say "Hey, we don't care if you sexually assaulted people. You put on a good show!" As I have said, it's not the end of the world, and in six months I'm sure no one will remember this. But as of right now, with all this heat on him, I don't think he should win. Just my opinion.
|
|
|
Post by DaveyJoe on Jan 28, 2017 20:22:23 GMT
I'm just curious what you think the Academy should be doing about Affleck. Haven't seen his performance, so I don't know if he is deserving of all the accolades. He was fantastic in Jesse James, though, so I'm sure he is good. As I said because of the veil of silence span by his entourage there is no verifying anything, but as we all know Academy has zero problem awarding people who have done despicable stuff. I've seen a fiery outrage over Gibson, though so I wonder why people are so fired up about this one, because on one hand we have a guy with sexual harassment allegations and on another we have a loud drunk who was abusive towards his wife. Seeing how those Affleck rumors are just beginning to circulate enough for people to hear about them NOW and we knew Gibson did what he did, what 10 years ago, the fact that Affleck scandal is fresher yet people are louder about Gibson confuses me This is where our perception differs. I haven't seen any outrage over Gibson, I've seen a lot of blog posts and articles about Affleck, ironically they are all about how his accusations are being ignored, but I haven't seen a single negative thing written about Gibson since the nominations were announced.
|
|
|
Post by DaveyJoe on Jan 28, 2017 20:24:13 GMT
It's clear that you assume the allegations against Affleck are true, I'm curious how you came to that conclusion. If Affleck's performance in a movie does not excuse his behavior, why does his behavior prohibit him from winning awards for his performance?Haven't I responded to this? It's industry seal of approval. It's saying 'we don't care what you did, we liked your work, so here's an award that will make it easier for you to keep doing stuff like that and sweep it under the rug' I was asking The Mad Queen to explain his opinion. I think it's important to suss out your own feelings on a difficult issue. Specificity does not imply veracity in my opinion. It's clear that you assume the allegations against Affleck are true, I'm curious how you came to that conclusion. If Affleck's performance in a movie does not excuse his behavior, why does his behavior prohibit him from winning awards for his performance? As of now, I'm tending to believe the accusations because most sane women don't lie about being harassed, and the story is just so believable. Hollywood actor treats women like shit? That's not exactly breaking news. I'm buying it because the story is not at all unique, and because there are hundreds of others like it. And they can't all be evil women who are only after his money. And he should not be awarded for a performance, no matter how good it is (I haven't seen the movie so I can't say) when he's at the center of this big scandal where he *allegedly* sexually harassed multiple women working for him. It's just not a good look for the Oscars, to basically say "Hey, we don't care if you sexually assaulted people. You put on a good show!" As I have said, it's not the end of the world, and in six months I'm sure no one will remember this. But as of right now, with all this heat on him, I don't think he should win. Just my opinion. So in your opinion, the mere accusation of sexual harassment is enough for the accused to feel repercussions from it? Because it's believable?
|
|
|
Post by TheMadQueen on Jan 28, 2017 20:32:06 GMT
Haven't I responded to this? It's industry seal of approval. It's saying 'we don't care what you did, we liked your work, so here's an award that will make it easier for you to keep doing stuff like that and sweep it under the rug' I was asking The Mad Queen to explain his opinion. I think it's important to suss out your own feelings on a difficult issue. Specificity does not imply veracity in my opinion. As of now, I'm tending to believe the accusations because most sane women don't lie about being harassed, and the story is just so believable. Hollywood actor treats women like shit? That's not exactly breaking news. I'm buying it because the story is not at all unique, and because there are hundreds of others like it. And they can't all be evil women who are only after his money. And he should not be awarded for a performance, no matter how good it is (I haven't seen the movie so I can't say) when he's at the center of this big scandal where he *allegedly* sexually harassed multiple women working for him. It's just not a good look for the Oscars, to basically say "Hey, we don't care if you sexually assaulted people. You put on a good show!" As I have said, it's not the end of the world, and in six months I'm sure no one will remember this. But as of right now, with all this heat on him, I don't think he should win. Just my opinion. So in your opinion, the mere accusation of sexual harassment is enough for the accused to feel repercussions from it? Because it's believable? and the fact that he settled out of court. I'm not a legal expert, but the way I look at it, innocent people don't do that. If you know you did nothing wrong, why avoid a trial and pay your accusers to drop the charges? Maybe he didn't do anything and it was a career move to avoid a trial, but idk. From what I've read, there's nothing here that makes me think "hmmm these girls seem like liars." To me, I see guy who was acting like a drunk asshole throwing money at a problem to make it go away. And i am aware these accusations are from years ago, and he may be a changed man for all I know, but it just rubs me the wrong way. And there's no guarantee he's gonna get the Oscar anyway, so we're all talking in hypotheticals here, but in the event that he wins, I don't think that sends a good message.
|
|
|
Post by DaveyJoe on Jan 28, 2017 20:56:33 GMT
I was asking The Mad Queen to explain his opinion. I think it's important to suss out your own feelings on a difficult issue. Specificity does not imply veracity in my opinion. So in your opinion, the mere accusation of sexual harassment is enough for the accused to feel repercussions from it? Because it's believable? and the fact that he settled out of court. I'm not a legal expert, but the way I look at it, innocent people don't do that. If you know you did nothing wrong, why avoid a trial and pay your accusers to drop the charges? Maybe he didn't do anything and it was a career move to avoid a trial, but idk. From what I've read, there's nothing here that makes me think "hmmm these girls seem like liars." To me, I see guy who was acting like a drunk asshole throwing money at a problem to make it go away. And i am aware these accusations are from years ago, and he may be a changed man for all I know, but it just rubs me the wrong way. And there's no guarantee he's gonna get the Oscar anyway, so we're all talking in hypotheticals here, but in the event that he wins, I don't think that sends a good message. Settling out of court has less to do with guilt or innocence, and more to do with the fact that the accused has enough money to make the accuser drop the charges. If Affleck was guilty, why did his victim feel accept hush money, and let a bad person remain on the streets? If the allegations are true, Affleck does sound like a drunk asshole, but alcohol abuse is a very serious thing. And yet, it's the only disease that society deems appropriate to shame the person suffering from it.
|
|
|
Post by Admin on Jan 28, 2017 21:08:59 GMT
and the fact that he settled out of court. I'm not a legal expert, but the way I look at it, innocent people don't do that. If you know you did nothing wrong, why avoid a trial and pay your accusers to drop the charges? Maybe he didn't do anything and it was a career move to avoid a trial, but idk. From what I've read, there's nothing here that makes me think "hmmm these girls seem like liars." To me, I see guy who was acting like a drunk asshole throwing money at a problem to make it go away. And i am aware these accusations are from years ago, and he may be a changed man for all I know, but it just rubs me the wrong way. And there's no guarantee he's gonna get the Oscar anyway, so we're all talking in hypotheticals here, but in the event that he wins, I don't think that sends a good message. Settling out of court has less to do with guilt or innocence, and more to do with the fact that the accused has enough money to make the accuser drop the charges. If Affleck was guilty, why did his victim feel accept hush money, and let a bad person remain on the streets? If the allegations are true, Affleck does sound like a drunk asshole, but alcohol abuse is a very serious thing. And yet, it's the only disease that society deems appropriate to shame the person suffering from it. Hold on, are you choosing to feel bad for the alcoholic instead of the women who he molested?!
|
|
|
Post by TheMadQueen on Jan 28, 2017 21:17:02 GMT
and the fact that he settled out of court. I'm not a legal expert, but the way I look at it, innocent people don't do that. If you know you did nothing wrong, why avoid a trial and pay your accusers to drop the charges? Maybe he didn't do anything and it was a career move to avoid a trial, but idk. From what I've read, there's nothing here that makes me think "hmmm these girls seem like liars." To me, I see guy who was acting like a drunk asshole throwing money at a problem to make it go away. And i am aware these accusations are from years ago, and he may be a changed man for all I know, but it just rubs me the wrong way. And there's no guarantee he's gonna get the Oscar anyway, so we're all talking in hypotheticals here, but in the event that he wins, I don't think that sends a good message. Settling out of court has less to do with guilt or innocence, and more to do with the fact that the accused has enough money to make the accuser drop the charges. If Affleck was guilty, why did his victim feel accept hush money, and let a bad person remain on the streets? If the allegations are true, Affleck does sound like a drunk asshole, but alcohol abuse is a very serious thing. And yet, it's the only disease that society deems appropriate to shame the person suffering from it. Idk. Maybe because media drags women like that through the mud. I can't say I'd blame them if they wanted to avoid being called liars, whores, etc who are just after his money. Because that's what happens. And between the girl whose arms is being "violently" twisted and the drunk guy she rejected who's doing the twisting, there's only one person I feel bad for and it's not him. I know it doesn't look like it now, since we've really gotten into it, but I don't feel too strongly about this. I just think that the Oscars shouldn't give him any awards at this time, with these accusations flying around.
|
|
|
Post by Admin on Jan 28, 2017 21:21:00 GMT
Settling out of court has less to do with guilt or innocence, and more to do with the fact that the accused has enough money to make the accuser drop the charges. If Affleck was guilty, why did his victim feel accept hush money, and let a bad person remain on the streets? If the allegations are true, Affleck does sound like a drunk asshole, but alcohol abuse is a very serious thing. And yet, it's the only disease that society deems appropriate to shame the person suffering from it. Idk. Maybe because media drags women like that through the mud. I can't say I'd blame them if they wanted to avoid being called liars, whores, etc who are just after his money. Because that's what happens. And between the girl whose arms is being "violently" twisted and the drunk guy she rejected who's doing the twisting, there's only one person I feel bad for and it's not him.I know it doesn't look like it now, since we've really gotten into it, but I don't feel too strongly about this. I just think that the Oscars shouldn't give him any awards at this time, with these accusations flying around. Also and maybe I'm wrong, there has to be something wrong with the person who acts like this while drunk. If someone is getting violent or molests women when they are drinking than the alcohol is not to blame here. This is Hollywood, they all drink like insane. I'm certain that both Harris and Fassbender drink way too much because cigarattes don't explain why these men look 2o+ older than they are. However this is what Fassbender does while drunk:
|
|
|
Post by DaveyJoe on Jan 28, 2017 21:26:59 GMT
Settling out of court has less to do with guilt or innocence, and more to do with the fact that the accused has enough money to make the accuser drop the charges. If Affleck was guilty, why did his victim feel accept hush money, and let a bad person remain on the streets? If the allegations are true, Affleck does sound like a drunk asshole, but alcohol abuse is a very serious thing. And yet, it's the only disease that society deems appropriate to shame the person suffering from it. Hold on, are you choosing to feel bad for the alcoholic instead of the women who he molested?! I'm refusing to condemn somebody for something I can't confirm. I'm not choosing sides. I have room in my heart to empathize with both sides.
|
|