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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 21:40:03 GMT
Some thoughts... Hale knows that Ford caught on to her scheme and killed Theresa, and Ford knows that she knows. She’ll try to kill him, but he’ll kill her. It’s kind of too easy that she randomly picked Dolores’ dad to smuggle out the data. I wonder if that was supposed to be truly random or if she chose him for his grudge against Ford. He’s gonna malfunction, obviously, I just don't know if she is expecting that or not. Maeve has “administrator rights” now. The way she cut the asshole dude enough to make him bleed out, but to still be savable…badass! I hope it’s now abundantly clear why they’ll do whatever she says. Amy Winehouse’s Back to Black plays on the player piano, and Maeve prepares to help Hector win. She’s not going back to the lab. She’s on the run, reprogramming hosts as she goes, but then she has a flashback and fucks up. I think she was inadvertently awakened when Dolores said the violent ends line to her, so only the techs know of her awakening. Ford thinks he has control over everything, but he’s not aware of the Maeve issue. The Wyatt mole girl is the girl who greeted William, and the girl who is seen dancing in the flashbacks. MIB recognizes her…more proof that he’s William. Bernard killed Elsie on Ford’s orders. RIP Elsie. Hemsworth Security knows that Bernard is lying, and I’m pretty sure he knows Bernard’s a host. Looks like he’s going to play a bigger role than I thought, unless he just gets killed next episode. I think there is a chance that Bernard’s memory won’t be wiped completely, and he’ll plot against Ford. I have no proof for this except that Ford himself seems to think Bernard might turn on him. It’s just a hope. Bernard deserves revenge. It’s very interesting that Ford admitted there is no difference between hosts and humans. Given what he’s done, that makes him truly monstrous. lordcarson , I think you’re right that Dolores is the one who shot everyone in the original host town. I think Arnold convinced/programmed her to do it because he decided that playing God was wrong. I’m not sure why Ford is resurrecting it. Maybe he’s bored. Maybe Arnold isn’t dead but hidden in the maze, as you say, and this is the only way to finally defeat him. That’s the mystery yet to be revealed. Anyway, there's a pretty good chance she's going to do it again in the Dolores and William timeline, and one of them will kill Logan. Regarding the MIB and why killing Maeve and her daughter would have affected him, he’s obviously been active in the real world but visiting the park. He’s probably been in love with Dolores and resenting his wife this whole time. I also think he remained a white hat until his wife killed herself. That’s when he came back to the park and decided to stay. Maeve’s murder was his first despicable act, and unlike the other hosts who seem to take their murders pretty easily, she was so distraught she became truly human. She was “truly alive,” which we know is what MIB considers the maze to be. MIB is seeking the maze because he wants to feel something real and then die.
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Post by lordcarson on Nov 22, 2016 22:35:13 GMT
Some thoughts... Hale knows that Ford caught on to her scheme and killed Theresa, and Ford knows that she knows. She’ll try to kill him, but he’ll kill her. It’s kind of too easy that she randomly picked Dolores’ dad to smuggle out the data. I wonder if that was supposed to be truly random or if she chose him for his grudge against Ford. He’s gonna malfunction, obviously, I just don't know if she is expecting that or not. Maeve has “administrator rights” now. The way she cut the asshole dude enough to make him bleed out, but to still be savable…badass! I hope it’s now abundantly clear why they’ll do whatever she says. Amy Winehouse’s Back to Black plays on the player piano, and Maeve prepares to help Hector win. She’s not going back to the lab. She’s on the run, reprogramming hosts as she goes, but then she has a flashback and fucks up. I think she was inadvertently awakened when Dolores said the violent ends line to her, so only the techs know of her awakening. Ford thinks he has control over everything, but he’s not aware of the Maeve issue. The Wyatt mole girl is the girl who greeted William, and the girl who is seen dancing in the flashbacks. MIB recognizes her…more proof that he’s William. Bernard killed Elsie on Ford’s orders. RIP Elsie. Hemsworth Security knows that Bernard is lying, and I’m pretty sure he knows Bernard’s a host. Looks like he’s going to play a bigger role than I thought, unless he just gets killed next episode. I think there is a chance that Bernard’s memory won’t be wiped completely, and he’ll plot against Ford. I have no proof for this except that Ford himself seems to think Bernard might turn on him. It’s just a hope. Bernard deserves revenge. It’s very interesting that Ford admitted there is no difference between hosts and humans. Given what he’s done, that makes him truly monstrous. lordcarson , I think you’re right that Dolores is the one who shot everyone in the original host town. I think Arnold convinced/programmed her to do it because he decided that playing God was wrong. I’m not sure why Ford is resurrecting it. Maybe he’s bored. Maybe Arnold isn’t dead but hidden in the maze, as you say, and this is the only way to finally defeat him. That’s the mystery yet to be revealed. Anyway, there's a pretty good chance she's going to do it again in the Dolores and William timeline, and one of them will kill Logan. Regarding the MIB and why killing Maeve and her daughter would have affected him, he’s obviously been active in the real world but visiting the park. He’s probably been in love with Dolores and resenting his wife this whole time. I also think he remained a white hat until his wife killed herself. That’s when he came back to the park and decided to stay. Maeve’s murder was his first despicable act, and unlike the other hosts who seem to take their murders pretty easily, she was so distraught she became truly human. She was “truly alive,” which we know is what MIB considers the maze to be. MIB is seeking the maze because he wants to feel something real and then die. The host being built when they killed Theresa is TOTALLY Elsie though!
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Nov 22, 2016 23:16:30 GMT
Here's what I've been able to put together: 35ish years ago: Dolores snaps and shoots up the town where everyone is practicing their dance. The hosts are moved and the town is buried to cover it up, Ford uses that event as the basis for Teddy's memories of Wyatt. That's why we've seen that scene before. But it was actually Dolores doing the shooting.
30ish years ago: William enters the park, goes on his adventure with Dolores. Dolores is having memories triggered by the locations she's in. I think she or William is going to kill Logan, which is the critical failure Ford mentioned at the beginning of the show, and then William will return home and marry his sister and take over the company but the sister knows that William had something to do with Logan's death so her grief drives her crazy over 30 years, leading to...
Present day: Everything happening with Ford, Bernard, Stubbs, etc. and the MIB and Teddy. The monster people are members of Wyatt's cult. I'm starting to think Arnold hid himself in the center of the maze and the MIB wants to find him. And obviously the town that Ford dug up for his new storyline is the town that Dolores shot up. The only thing I'm still trying to figure out is how Dolores connects to the present day storyline and the very first scene of the show with her in the lab. I agree, except I don't subscribe to two timelines theory, so I believe the Present Day and 30 Years ago all fall into the same timeline. This episode was intense, Maeve's story is far and away the best, and has been throughout the show for me. Delores was back on fine form this week though, and I'm excited for the rest of her story. MiB was good, but like sati I'm scratching my head at his backstory. Bit weak if that's all there is to it. RIP Elsie The "creature" that attacked MiB and Teddy was cool. I quite like it as a nod to the whole Theseus and the Minotaur motif. You have the maze, the Minotaur (the guy who was pretty much dressed as such), the Princess (who was that woman btw? Didn't catch the name), the prisoners (the people they find dead). So, what is the deal with Maeve's army? She helped Hector take the safe, but then what? I imagine we will find out next week what's happened after Hector got the safe. Btw, I bang on about Penny Dreadful all of the time, but Maeve was basically Lily in Bedlam in her scene with Ford and Bernard. Right down to "Don't take her from me." And assembling an army to take revenge on those who wronged her. Just saying. I loved the music this week. The Other Hemsworth is totally on to Bernard being a host. Two episodes to wrap this up. Interesting. My understanding is that the ending should tie up enough that another season would not be necessary, since they had to gauge its success first
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Post by lordcarson on Nov 22, 2016 23:40:17 GMT
Here's what I've been able to put together: 35ish years ago: Dolores snaps and shoots up the town where everyone is practicing their dance. The hosts are moved and the town is buried to cover it up, Ford uses that event as the basis for Teddy's memories of Wyatt. That's why we've seen that scene before. But it was actually Dolores doing the shooting.
30ish years ago: William enters the park, goes on his adventure with Dolores. Dolores is having memories triggered by the locations she's in. I think she or William is going to kill Logan, which is the critical failure Ford mentioned at the beginning of the show, and then William will return home and marry his sister and take over the company but the sister knows that William had something to do with Logan's death so her grief drives her crazy over 30 years, leading to...
Present day: Everything happening with Ford, Bernard, Stubbs, etc. and the MIB and Teddy. The monster people are members of Wyatt's cult. I'm starting to think Arnold hid himself in the center of the maze and the MIB wants to find him. And obviously the town that Ford dug up for his new storyline is the town that Dolores shot up. The only thing I'm still trying to figure out is how Dolores connects to the present day storyline and the very first scene of the show with her in the lab. I agree, except I don't subscribe to two timelines theory, so I believe the Present Day and 30 Years ago all fall into the same timeline. This episode was intense, Maeve's story is far and away the best, and has been throughout the show for me. Delores was back on fine form this week though, and I'm excited for the rest of her story. MiB was good, but like sati I'm scratching my head at his backstory. Bit weak if that's all there is to it. RIP Elsie The "creature" that attacked MiB and Teddy was cool. I quite like it as a nod to the whole Theseus and the Minotaur motif. You have the maze, the Minotaur (the guy who was pretty much dressed as such), the Princess (who was that woman btw? Didn't catch the name), the prisoners (the people they find dead). So, what is the deal with Maeve's army? She helped Hector take the safe, but then what? I imagine we will find out next week what's happened after Hector got the safe. Btw, I bang on about Penny Dreadful all of the time, but Maeve was basically Lily in Bedlam in her scene with Ford and Bernard. Right down to "Don't take her from me." And assembling an army to take revenge on those who wronged her. Just saying. I loved the music this week. The Other Hemsworth is totally on to Bernard being a host. Two episodes to wrap this up. Interesting. My understanding is that the ending should tie up enough that another season would not be necessary, since they had to gauge its success first She's the same host that welcomed William to the park and since the MIB said he remembered her and assumed she was just retired...I know you said you don't believe in the two timelines theory, but that's some pretty solid evidence for it The actress is also Elon Musk's ex-wife. Talulah something.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Nov 22, 2016 23:46:26 GMT
I agree, except I don't subscribe to two timelines theory, so I believe the Present Day and 30 Years ago all fall into the same timeline. This episode was intense, Maeve's story is far and away the best, and has been throughout the show for me. Delores was back on fine form this week though, and I'm excited for the rest of her story. MiB was good, but like sati I'm scratching my head at his backstory. Bit weak if that's all there is to it. RIP Elsie The "creature" that attacked MiB and Teddy was cool. I quite like it as a nod to the whole Theseus and the Minotaur motif. You have the maze, the Minotaur (the guy who was pretty much dressed as such), the Princess (who was that woman btw? Didn't catch the name), the prisoners (the people they find dead). So, what is the deal with Maeve's army? She helped Hector take the safe, but then what? I imagine we will find out next week what's happened after Hector got the safe. Btw, I bang on about Penny Dreadful all of the time, but Maeve was basically Lily in Bedlam in her scene with Ford and Bernard. Right down to "Don't take her from me." And assembling an army to take revenge on those who wronged her. Just saying. I loved the music this week. The Other Hemsworth is totally on to Bernard being a host. Two episodes to wrap this up. Interesting. My understanding is that the ending should tie up enough that another season would not be necessary, since they had to gauge its success first She's the same host that welcomed William to the park and since the MIB said he remembered her and assumed she was just retired...I know you said you don't believe in the two timelines theory, but that's some pretty solid evidence for it The actress is also Elon Musk's ex-wife. Talulah something. Thanks. I'll think on that, as evidence of the two timelines thing. (I also realised that the village Delores visited should probably have been dug up in the present day...so maybe I will reassess) also, why do they do this to me?! "Bernard asks Ford if he's ever hurt anyone other than Theresa. Ford says no, and as he does, Bernard experiences a vision in which he's choking out Elsie. Some are taking that as confirmation that Bernard killed Elsie (Shannon Woodward). Is that the right read? Very nicely done. (Laughs.) Let me refer you to your earlier question about Lost. There's a form of storytelling that I happen to be somewhat partial to, which embraces the thrill of ambiguity. So I will only say this: I will answer your question with this question. Are we in fact sure that that was Elsie?" Elsie
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 0:43:40 GMT
Every time we've seen Dolores speaking to Bernard has it been just them two? I can't remember. I think some of their encounters could be in the past and some in the future. Hopefully it will all make sense soon... If they go by way of the movie then we should see Mae start killing guests either end of this season or next season and gathering her army to take over the park. But she will be stopped in the end [\spoiler]
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Nov 23, 2016 1:46:43 GMT
Every time we've seen Dolores speaking to Bernard has it been just them two? I can't remember. I think some of their encounters could be in the past and some in the future. Hopefully it will all make sense soon... If they go by way of the movie then we should see Mae start killing guests either end of this season or next season and gathering her army to take over the park. But she will be stopped in the end [\spoiler] I want Maeve to succeed. But sadly I don't think she will. On a related note, I will be very sad if Thandie doesn't get to come back for season two because the character dies. The fact that Maeve helped the robbers, and that she had spoke to Hector before to get him to stab her...that to me suggests he and Snake-lady are part of the "army" she is recruiting. lordcarson , I am reluctantly starting to convert to two timelines theory. With some reservations edit: wait, nope. Flip flopped back. I thought you meant she was a host William saw in the brothel, but she was the greeting host before he entered the park. I don't think it is unreasonable that she has been added back into the park as part of Ford's new storyline. She appears in Delores' flashback. But the MiB has been going to the park for years, and hosts are reassigned all of the time. Perhaps after the massacre, or after X number of years, she was rotated out of the park and into the facility. Then when Ford needed more hosts for his story, she was brought back into the park.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 3:08:04 GMT
I'm beginning to worry about there being a second season. Why? The story is primed to get wrapped up in just a few more episodes. It's hard to imagine a second season that doesn't drag out the plot. What needs to happen: Maeve teams up with Bernard against Ford. They reprogram all the hosts to turn on the guests and run amuck amuck amuck!
The MIB is in the clutches of Wyatt's gang when this happens, and he realizes he can die. The maze is revealed to him somehow. Is it just a figure of speech to signify being outside the loops that control both hosts and human beings? Being truly alive because you're about to die and what really matters becomes clear?
William sees Dolores go on a murder spree and then kill herself, shattering his romantic fantasy. Or maybe not. Maybe her murder spree and suicide is in the past, but Logan kills her in this timeline, and then William kills Logan. The William/MIB timeline twist is revealed.
Dolores' "dad" the Shakespearean cannibal is downloaded with all the info from the park, and instead of taking it where he's supposed to, transmitting it to the company to make robot soldiers, I'd imagine, he turns on the park management and has "such revenges...the terrors of the earth." Maybe he ends up being the judas steer instead of Dolores.
This is the guy who wrote Lost. Don't be expecting the maze to be an actual place. If it is, I'll be super surprised.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Nov 23, 2016 6:20:38 GMT
I just watched the first episode. I liked it!!!! Thoughts.... so the robots are gonna rebel, right? They're getting too advanced and out of control(?). So the new software is making them lose it, and probably remembering all the ways humans have treated them like shit, and they're mad. Interesting stuff.
No clue who the man in black is. Some guest who's obsessed with Dolores or something.
Also, getting some Frankenstein vibes. Look forward to the rest of this.
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Post by Admin on Nov 23, 2016 6:54:54 GMT
Some thoughts... Regarding the MIB and why killing Maeve and her daughter would have affected him, he’s obviously been active in the real world but visiting the park. He’s probably been in love with Dolores and resenting his wife this whole time. I also think he remained a white hat until his wife killed herself. That’s when he came back to the park and decided to stay. Maeve’s murder was his first despicable act, and unlike the other hosts who seem to take their murders pretty easily, she was so distraught she became truly human. She was “truly alive,” which we know is what MIB considers the maze to be. MIB is seeking the maze because he wants to feel something real and then die.
That's my problem - the scene hangs on whole bunch of 'maybe' and 'probably'. Every single person I talked to who had no issues with the scene says they believe there will be more. And none of the people I spoke to can give me any explanation or at least even attempt to do so for why this maze appear. Take the best scene in the episode - Ford and Bernard talking about pain. Just strong dialogue, no flashbacks, no 'let's show the maze because it will be cool even though there is no reason why it should appear!'. MiB's scene is supposed to do a dozen different things and it does none of them - it would be so much better if we saw this whole deal with him killing Maeve and the kid before, when we saw the scene the first time and in this episode if the scene just focused on MiB only talking, no showing us all this other stuff. It was so badly written and it's inexcusable that they had the actor deliver a shit ton of exposition and the scene still poses more questions than it answers The host being built when they killed Theresa is TOTALLY Elsie though! I'm not sure the identity of the host is even important going by what Nolan said which added up to 'it was to add the creepiness to the scene' I loved the music this week. The Other Hemsworth is totally on to Bernard being a host. Two episodes to wrap this up. Interesting. My understanding is that the ending should tie up enough that another season would not be necessary, since they had to gauge its success firstYeah it won't. It's episode 8 and they haven't even expanded on premise - is Dolores and Maeve sentient? They are tools - Dolores does what the voice tells her and Maeve had her programming tempered with by someone other than Sylvester and Felix. I think the only scenes exploring the premise of robots 'becoming free' were - Ford/Bernard, Ford/Abernathy and Dolores/Arnold scenes. Everything else is just Ford/Arnold power play. And the maze is even more mystery than it was before this episode I agree, except I don't subscribe to two timelines theory, so I believe the Present Day and 30 Years ago all fall into the same timeline. This episode was intense, Maeve's story is far and away the best, and has been throughout the show for me. Delores was back on fine form this week though, and I'm excited for the rest of her story. MiB was good, but like sati I'm scratching my head at his backstory. Bit weak if that's all there is to it. RIP Elsie The "creature" that attacked MiB and Teddy was cool. I quite like it as a nod to the whole Theseus and the Minotaur motif. You have the maze, the Minotaur (the guy who was pretty much dressed as such), the Princess (who was that woman btw? Didn't catch the name), the prisoners (the people they find dead). So, what is the deal with Maeve's army? She helped Hector take the safe, but then what? I imagine we will find out next week what's happened after Hector got the safe. Btw, I bang on about Penny Dreadful all of the time, but Maeve was basically Lily in Bedlam in her scene with Ford and Bernard. Right down to "Don't take her from me." And assembling an army to take revenge on those who wronged her. Just saying. I loved the music this week. The Other Hemsworth is totally on to Bernard being a host. Two episodes to wrap this up. Interesting. My understanding is that the ending should tie up enough that another season would not be necessary, since they had to gauge its success first She's the same host that welcomed William to the park and since the MIB said he remembered her and assumed she was just retired...I know you said you don't believe in the two timelines theory, but that's some pretty solid evidence for it The actress is also Elon Musk's ex-wife. Talulah something. I'm not sure why people cite this as evidence - since she was greeting hosts, she could have done so with a lot of guests. The bigger thing is, given the show's fixation on Shakespeare, that William's fiancee is called Juliet and MiB's wife killed herself Every time we've seen Dolores speaking to Bernard has it been just them two? I can't remember. I think some of their encounters could be in the past and some in the future. Hopefully it will all make sense soon... If they go by way of the movie then we should see Mae start killing guests either end of this season or next season and gathering her army to take over the park. But she will be stopped in the end [\spoiler] I want Maeve to succeed. But sadly I don't think she will. On a related note, I will be very sad if Thandie doesn't get to come back for season two because the character dies. The fact that Maeve helped the robbers, and that she had spoke to Hector before to get him to stab her...that to me suggests he and Snake-lady are part of the "army" she is recruiting.lordcarson , I am reluctantly starting to convert to two timelines theory. With some reservations edit: wait, nope. Flip flopped back. I thought you meant she was a host William saw in the brothel, but she was the greeting host before he entered the park. I don't think it is unreasonable that she has been added back into the park as part of Ford's new storyline. She appears in Delores' flashback. But the MiB has been going to the park for years, and hosts are reassigned all of the time. Perhaps after the massacre, or after X number of years, she was rotated out of the park and into the facility. Then when Ford needed more hosts for his story, she was brought back into the park. There is a shot in the trailer showing Maeve wearing a black outfit like the one the morons wore this ep, walking through headquarters with Hector, Armistice and someone else behind her, which I assume is in finale I'm beginning to worry about there being a second season. Why? The story is primed to get wrapped up in just a few more episodes. It's hard to imagine a second season that doesn't drag out the plot. What needs to happen: Maeve teams up with Bernard against Ford. They reprogram all the hosts to turn on the guests and run amuck amuck amuck!
The MIB is in the clutches of Wyatt's gang when this happens, and he realizes he can die. The maze is revealed to him somehow. Is it just a figure of speech to signify being outside the loops that control both hosts and human beings? Being truly alive because you're about to die and what really matters becomes clear?
William sees Dolores go on a murder spree and then kill herself, shattering his romantic fantasy. Or maybe not. Maybe her murder spree and suicide is in the past, but Logan kills her in this timeline, and then William kills Logan. The William/MIB timeline twist is revealed.
Dolores' "dad" the Shakespearean cannibal is downloaded with all the info from the park, and instead of taking it where he's supposed to, transmitting it to the company to make robot soldiers, I'd imagine, he turns on the park management and has "such revenges...the terrors of the earth." Maybe he ends up being the judas steer instead of Dolores.
This is the guy who wrote Lost. Don't be expecting the maze to be an actual place. If it is, I'll be super surprised. JJ Abrams didn't fully write Lost nor is he this involved here. This is Nolan/Joy project. I don't remember a metaphorical thing appearing like that in any other of his works. That shot of the maze was completely out of the blue and pissed me off Not much was touched upon - MiB's quest is vague, the robot's freedom was touched upon in few scenes I listed above, hell, we still didn't even see the outside world. There is so much to do and so much potential and they just keep adding mysteries instead of just moving ahead with the story which there is plenty of, the concepts of people trying to free the imprisoned like in Truman Show or hosts getting out and being chased like in Blade Runner would work so well here not to mention there are so many characters that are intriguing we barely saw like Armistice.
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Post by kingeomer on Nov 23, 2016 13:13:35 GMT
I'm beginning to worry about there being a second season. Why? The story is primed to get wrapped up in just a few more episodes. It's hard to imagine a second season that doesn't drag out the plot. What needs to happen: Maeve teams up with Bernard against Ford. They reprogram all the hosts to turn on the guests and run amuck amuck amuck!
The MIB is in the clutches of Wyatt's gang when this happens, and he realizes he can die. The maze is revealed to him somehow. Is it just a figure of speech to signify being outside the loops that control both hosts and human beings? Being truly alive because you're about to die and what really matters becomes clear?
William sees Dolores go on a murder spree and then kill herself, shattering his romantic fantasy. Or maybe not. Maybe her murder spree and suicide is in the past, but Logan kills her in this timeline, and then William kills Logan. The William/MIB timeline twist is revealed.
Dolores' "dad" the Shakespearean cannibal is downloaded with all the info from the park, and instead of taking it where he's supposed to, transmitting it to the company to make robot soldiers, I'd imagine, he turns on the park management and has "such revenges...the terrors of the earth." Maybe he ends up being the judas steer instead of Dolores.
This is the guy who wrote Lost. Don't be expecting the maze to be an actual place. If it is, I'll be super surprised. Nolan and Joy are saying that they have 5 seasons of the show mapped out (doesn't mean the show is only going to be 5 seasons just that they have a five season plan so far). Then again, I do remember the show runners of Lost saying they had the show planned out too and by the time it ended, I highly doubt they had it planned out. But since HBO just recently granted a second season, I wonder how this one wraps up and leaves the door open for a second season. I do agree that the MIB's story was weak and I liked the idea of him possibly being a good guy with a decent life that got wrapped up in this "game" and "alternate life". If they don't reveal the maze, that would be super disappointing since the show has seriously highlighted that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 13:37:57 GMT
Some thoughts... Regarding the MIB and why killing Maeve and her daughter would have affected him, he’s obviously been active in the real world but visiting the park. He’s probably been in love with Dolores and resenting his wife this whole time. I also think he remained a white hat until his wife killed herself. That’s when he came back to the park and decided to stay. Maeve’s murder was his first despicable act, and unlike the other hosts who seem to take their murders pretty easily, she was so distraught she became truly human. She was “truly alive,” which we know is what MIB considers the maze to be. MIB is seeking the maze because he wants to feel something real and then die.
That's my problem - the scene hangs on whole bunch of 'maybe' and 'probably'. Every single person I talked to who had no issues with the scene says they believe there will be more. And none of the people I spoke to can give me any explanation or at least even attempt to do so for why this maze appear. Take the best scene in the episode - Ford and Bernard talking about pain. Just strong dialogue, no flashbacks, no 'let's show the maze because it will be cool even though there is no reason why it should appear!'. MiB's scene is supposed to do a dozen different things and it does none of them - it would be so much better if we saw this whole deal with him killing Maeve and the kid before, when we saw the scene the first time and in this episode if the scene just focused on MiB only talking, no showing us all this other stuff. It was so badly written and it's inexcusable that they had the actor deliver a shit ton of exposition and the scene still poses more questions than it answers The host being built when they killed Theresa is TOTALLY Elsie though! I'm not sure the identity of the host is even important going by what Nolan said which added up to 'it was to add the creepiness to the scene' I loved the music this week. The Other Hemsworth is totally on to Bernard being a host. Two episodes to wrap this up. Interesting. My understanding is that the ending should tie up enough that another season would not be necessary, since they had to gauge its success firstYeah it won't. It's episode 8 and they haven't even expanded on premise - is Dolores and Maeve sentient? They are tools - Dolores does what the voice tells her and Maeve had her programming tempered with by someone other than Sylvester and Felix. I think the only scenes exploring the premise of robots 'becoming free' were - Ford/Bernard, Ford/Abernathy and Dolores/Arnold scenes. Everything else is just Ford/Arnold power play. And the maze is even more mystery than it was before this episode She's the same host that welcomed William to the park and since the MIB said he remembered her and assumed she was just retired...I know you said you don't believe in the two timelines theory, but that's some pretty solid evidence for it The actress is also Elon Musk's ex-wife. Talulah something. I'm not sure why people cite this as evidence - since she was greeting hosts, she could have done so with a lot of guests. The bigger thing is, given the show's fixation on Shakespeare, that William's fiancee is called Juliet and MiB's wife killed herself I want Maeve to succeed. But sadly I don't think she will. On a related note, I will be very sad if Thandie doesn't get to come back for season two because the character dies. The fact that Maeve helped the robbers, and that she had spoke to Hector before to get him to stab her...that to me suggests he and Snake-lady are part of the "army" she is recruiting.lordcarson , I am reluctantly starting to convert to two timelines theory. With some reservations edit: wait, nope. Flip flopped back. I thought you meant she was a host William saw in the brothel, but she was the greeting host before he entered the park. I don't think it is unreasonable that she has been added back into the park as part of Ford's new storyline. She appears in Delores' flashback. But the MiB has been going to the park for years, and hosts are reassigned all of the time. Perhaps after the massacre, or after X number of years, she was rotated out of the park and into the facility. Then when Ford needed more hosts for his story, she was brought back into the park. There is a shot in the trailer showing Maeve wearing a black outfit like the one the morons wore this ep, walking through headquarters with Hector, Armistice and someone else behind her, which I assume is in finale I'm beginning to worry about there being a second season. Why? The story is primed to get wrapped up in just a few more episodes. It's hard to imagine a second season that doesn't drag out the plot. What needs to happen: Maeve teams up with Bernard against Ford. They reprogram all the hosts to turn on the guests and run amuck amuck amuck!
The MIB is in the clutches of Wyatt's gang when this happens, and he realizes he can die. The maze is revealed to him somehow. Is it just a figure of speech to signify being outside the loops that control both hosts and human beings? Being truly alive because you're about to die and what really matters becomes clear?
William sees Dolores go on a murder spree and then kill herself, shattering his romantic fantasy. Or maybe not. Maybe her murder spree and suicide is in the past, but Logan kills her in this timeline, and then William kills Logan. The William/MIB timeline twist is revealed.
Dolores' "dad" the Shakespearean cannibal is downloaded with all the info from the park, and instead of taking it where he's supposed to, transmitting it to the company to make robot soldiers, I'd imagine, he turns on the park management and has "such revenges...the terrors of the earth." Maybe he ends up being the judas steer instead of Dolores.
This is the guy who wrote Lost. Don't be expecting the maze to be an actual place. If it is, I'll be super surprised. JJ Abrams didn't fully write Lost nor is he this involved here. This is Nolan/Joy project. I don't remember a metaphorical thing appearing like that in any other of his works. That shot of the maze was completely out of the blue and pissed me off Not much was touched upon - MiB's quest is vague, the robot's freedom was touched upon in few scenes I listed above, hell, we still didn't even see the outside world. There is so much to do and so much potential and they just keep adding mysteries instead of just moving ahead with the story which there is plenty of, the concepts of people trying to free the imprisoned like in Truman Show or hosts getting out and being chased like in Blade Runner would work so well here not to mention there are so many characters that are intriguing we barely saw like Armistice. Well, I think there is one big story here: what it means to be human. The maze is a means to an end, not the end. Ford has already told us there is no difference between humans and hosts. We're all tools, stuck in loops, going about our business, doing what we're told, as if it has meaning when it doesn't. It's a very cynical view of the world. I think the big tension here is that the MIB wants to prove that life has meaning, and Ford wants to prove that it doesn't. I think we'll find out what happened to Arnold, and the timeline thing will be revealed, but most of the other mysteries will remain mysteries.
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Post by lordcarson on Nov 28, 2016 3:02:24 GMT
OH GOLLY
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Post by lordcarson on Nov 28, 2016 3:50:48 GMT
finale is 90 minutes according to evan rachel wood ty based dolores
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Post by day dreamer on Nov 28, 2016 21:53:59 GMT
Loved that episode last night!
I'm surprised Dolores is the one that took out Arnold. I didn't expect that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 3:09:47 GMT
this episode was fantastic. It really set the bar, i sort of saw the arnold thing coming, it made sense that Bernard was a replacement of arnold. Wonder what will happen to Hemsworth 3
Does William become MIB? i'm confused, Billy is definitely in the past. Dolores' storyline is the most confusing shit ever, i think i get where she is at though in terms of time.
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Post by kingeomer on Nov 29, 2016 13:38:08 GMT
This episode was really good. I watched it without the husband and will probably watch it again with him.
I think two timelines has definitely been confirmed. I think evidence is leaning towards William being MIB, it seems like he killed that whole settlement to see what the hosts were made of. Logan revealing what Dolores was made of seemed to break William (and William knows about the maze). RIP Elsie and Bernard. Bernard as Arnold 2.0 confirmed and whoa that Dolores killed Arnold. I guess Hemsworth 3 probably dies next week.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 13:58:08 GMT
Loved that episode last night! I'm surprised Dolores is the one that took out Arnold. I didn't expect that. I kind of expected that. I DIDN'T expect that Bernard was based on Arnold's template. Whoa!!!
So, I need to rewatch. What exactly happened with William and Logan? I felt like a missed a scene. All the sudden Logan is waking up with blood on his face, everybody is dead and dismembered, and William appears to have gone berzerker. Was there an explosion? Did he do that? If so, why? To prove to Logan that he knows what Dolores is and he's not under an illusions, but he still wants to find her? I don't know.
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Post by day dreamer on Nov 29, 2016 17:09:27 GMT
Loved that episode last night! I'm surprised Dolores is the one that took out Arnold. I didn't expect that. I kind of expected that. I DIDN'T expect that Bernard was based on Arnold's template. Whoa!!!
So, I need to rewatch. What exactly happened with William and Logan? I felt like a missed a scene. All the sudden Logan is waking up with blood on his face, everybody is dead and dismembered, and William appears to have gone berzerker. Was there an explosion? Did he do that? If so, why? To prove to Logan that he knows what Dolores is and he's not under an illusions, but he still wants to find her? I don't know. It seems he did. His motives I'm not sure of either. To prove to Logan he sees the game differently? Honestly, I'm kind of expecting William to kill Logan.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 20:04:36 GMT
I kind of expected that. I DIDN'T expect that Bernard was based on Arnold's template. Whoa!!!
So, I need to rewatch. What exactly happened with William and Logan? I felt like a missed a scene. All the sudden Logan is waking up with blood on his face, everybody is dead and dismembered, and William appears to have gone berzerker. Was there an explosion? Did he do that? If so, why? To prove to Logan that he knows what Dolores is and he's not under an illusions, but he still wants to find her? I don't know. It seems he did. His motives I'm not sure of either. To prove to Logan he sees the game differently? Honestly, I'm kind of expecting William to kill Logan. I definitely think he's going to die. I'm not sure if Dolores or William will do it.
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